Women's Search For Meaning with Amanda Reiger Green
In this episode, we talk to @soulpathology about:
•Searching & seeking for something bigger than self
•From pre-med to woman’s search for meaning
•From train wreck to becoming the founder of Soul Pathology
•How to match your insides with your outsides
•Overcoming repressed emotion, trauma & anger
•From suicidal ideation, ulcers & alcoholism to surrender & self-care
•Symptoms of a spiritual awakening
•Confronting your darkness
•Healthy energetic boundaries with your partner
•Mediumship and Amanda's psychic gifts
•Amanda does a mini intuitive reading for Cami
•Amanda’s move from Austin, TX to living off the grid in Belize
•Amanda’s morning and evening routines
•How to change your destiny
•The path to actualization, human potential & epigenetics
PODCAST TRAnSCRIPT
Cami: Hello, Amanda. Welcome to "Triggered to Life." I am so excited for you to join us today from Belize.
Amanda is an amazing soul pathologist. She's a psychic and with spiritual gifts. Combining her leadership with her business sense and her psychic abilities, she has helped us tap into our human potential. So, I love Amanda. I've worked with her for, I think, about a year or so now. And I'm just continuously enchanted by her words and her guidance and wisdom. And I'm so excited to have her here with us today. Amanda, welcome.
Amanda: Thanks so much, Cami, for having me. I am thrilled to connect with you. I know that our discussions are always enriching. And whatever comes through today, I think we'll hopefully reach out to your audience. But I always learned so much from you. So, I'm excited to see where this goes and what we discuss.
Cami: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. You just connect with the right person and it just flows, right? So, I have a lot of questions for you today. But I kind of want to start with framing a little bit about yourself in like a two to three sentence blurb of, well, one, you live in Belize, curious about what brought you there, and who you are and why you're in Belize. Let's start there.
Amanda: Sure. So, my husband and I relocated from Austin, Texas to Belize about a year and a half ago. And it had been a decision that we made together when we began to see each other prior to getting married, that we were going to relocate to Central or South America. And we ended up in Belize. And that was a five- or six-year plan and we fulfilled that. And we moved down here to simplify, to really step back. Both of us could foresee that the country was changing. And this was five or six, seven years ago. And we knew that we wanted to simplify, and we wanted to create a more peaceful lifestyle that also felt abundant.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: So, that was the decision. And Belize is where we ended up and we are pretty isolated and secluded, yet it has given us so much opportunity to reconnect with ourselves and rebalance. We both happen to be Libras.
Cami: Okay.
Amanda: So, relationship and balance are big things for both of us. And this has really been probably one of the most fundamentally rebalancing and realigning adventures that I have ever taken. And especially given the pandemic and COVID, we were already isolating. We were already quarantining before the pandemic. So, this just took us deeper. And we really had that opportunity to reset and rebalance.
Cami: So, you're like in the pandemic boot camp before the pandemic even started.
Amanda: Hundred percent. I told people when the pandemic hit, I said, "Well, we've already been social distancing for about 10 months. So, this is nothing new for us."
Cami: I love it. It really is a testament to things happen as they are to prepare us for the future.
Amanda: Yeah, perfect.
Cami: And so, I think when people hear the word "psychic" or "intuitive," they have a lot of questions. And one thing that I think is very unique about your background is, well, one, you have a BA in religion.
Amanda: Yeah.
Cami: Which to me kind of appears to be like, "Okay, she kind of knew, she must have known somewhere deep inside of her that these gifts were going to come into fruition as she got older." So, I'm curious, did you feel a calling towards spirituality from an early age? And spirituality and helping people and how did that influence what you do now?
Amanda: I did. And I wouldn't have been able to articulate it at an early age, but I knew that there was something within me that was searching and seeking and really wanting to understand and to integrate something bigger than me. And so, when I went off to college, I went to a liberal arts school, so on at the University of the South, and I thought I was going to be and was supposed to be because I lived in a lot of conditioning and I'm a recovering people-pleaser.
Cami: Yup.
Amanda: I already disclosed I'm a Libra, so that's just some of our general poor behavior tendencies. So, I thought I was going to be a physician. And going to a liberal arts college, if you're going to major in biology or organic chemistry, whatever it is, you are required to take a two years humanities course to fulfill all of the liberal arts curriculum supporting your science major and your science track into pre-med or whatever it may be.
And so, in the first year of taking my humanities course, we had a religion professor come in, the head of the Religion Department, and it was my second semester of my freshman year, and he wasn't even my one-to-one professor, but I remember in our big lectures in humanities when he would speak, and he would talk about religion from a humanities perspective, and its evolution through history, and the context of religion and spirituality, and people and the passing of that information and its evolution through time and man's search for meaning, so man, woman. The search for meaning basically is what he discussed.
And so, it was ontological. It was theology. It was religion. It was humanities. And I called him at the end of the semester, and I had interacted with him some peripherally, and I said, "Hey, Dr. Phillips, I'd like to talk to you, I think I want to be a religion major." And he said, "Well, you've never taken Religion 101, and you obviously are on a biology track." And he says, "I'm not really sure how you can decide that you want to be a religion major, when you've never taken a religion course. And I said, "I know." I said, "Give me the chance first semester next year to take an entry-level Religion 101 and then an advanced class, I'll do my pre-med track, I'll do my humanities. I'm a classic overachiever, by the way, too."
So, I'm like, "I'll do it all." And I talked him into it, because I'm very persuasive when I'm determined, but there was a knowing. There was a call that that was so much more enriching and inquisitive to me than the biology, the science. And even though I could keep up on that plane, the theology and the religion really called to me, and he, of course, gave me that opportunity.
And I did not go to med school. I ended up getting a Master's of Public Health, which segued into that. But at that time, my religion classes gave me this opportunity to start expanding my mind, to start questioning, to start looking at the development of religion and history throughout the evolution of our planet, and how it's developed culturally, societally, historically, and then to also be able to get into the mysticism of it, and ask the big questions and look at different cultures.
And so, anyway, though that's the long way around, but it was so enriching. And in that process, I realized I was also an academic. And I had always done well at school, I had always excelled academically, socially, all the things even though on the outside, that's what I projected on the inside of train wreck and totally disassociated with myself with a capital S. But all that being said, when I got into those religion classes, there was an element of seeking and searching, and I felt at home, I felt all of a sudden, I would learn things that I already knew, or I would want to dive in deeper. And I really realized for the first time that there was this academic component to me that really felt enriched in the search.
Cami: Well, it's so interesting because it sounds like for the first time you were getting rewarded to dive deeper into self-discovery.
Amanda: Yes, 100%. And ask questions and look at the context of things and look at language and pick apart language and look at the words between what's written on the page and really diving into. I did a lot of deep work in my undergraduate between dialogues, between Christianity and Judaism after the Holocaust, and really being able to recreate conversations and healing, so history, which we've obviously done in many ways with genocide and whatnot. But looking at how religion, and history, and politics all converges, but there's this element of meaning and mysticism that also it kind of pervades some of that in man's search for meaning.
Cami: Yeah, I love that, "man's search for meaning."
Amanda: Yeah.
Cami: Or woman's search for meaning, right?
Amanda: Woman's search for meaning, yeah. There's actually a book, there's actually a book called "Man's Search for Meaning."
Cami: I've heard of that. Oh, yeah, that sounds familiar.
Amanda: Yeah.
Cami: So, this podcast "Triggered to Life," we like to look at pivotal moments that shake you awake, really trigger you back to life essentially. So, a big part of your story is being addicted to stress and alcohol. And I'm always curious of what's your life looked like six months leading up to that moment where you were triggered to life.
Amanda: Hundred percent. So, I would really say for me probably about three and a half, four years. And I had really mastered from a young age living essentially a double life. So, brought to my attention early on in my recovery and in my sobriety that my insides didn't match my outsides. And the first time I ever heard that, it just was like a light bulb went off, because I realized I had been leading a double life, and I'm all or nothing. I'm 100% or I'm nothing.
And so, anything that I do, I'm going to jump in, I'm going to do it all out, full speed ahead. So, when it came to living a double life of having an executive career and suiting up quite literally and showing up for work and showing up 100% and effectively making change and being a change agent and a leader, I shined in that capacity, and then I live a completely separate life. I was in a pretty abusive relationship and it was mutually abusive. I was abusive and the gentleman I was in a relationship was as well. And we attract what we give off. So, I understand that today. So, I was in an abusive relationship, and alcohol and drugs have become a way, too. For me, it was a double-edged to numb out.
And so, a lot of people numb out so they can detach, but my alcohol gave me an excuse to behave badly and rage. So, when I drank, it was like a light bulb would switch, flip, and I would become a raging maniac. I mean, because I had so much anger and resentment and suppressed emotion and experiences, and some suppressed trauma, I had quite a bit of PTSD that was unreconciled and so, so much of that had been shoved down with a smile on my face, and my hair done, and my makeup. And I really was living so inauthentically yet knew that there was something more.
So, in the last six to eight months, I mean, I was just digging a grave, like deeper and deeper and it was the biggest cry for help of my entire life. I had been probably about a year before I got sober. I had been exposed to a 12-step program and recovery. And essentially that planted a seed that I could live a different life, that I could live a life of happiness, joy, and freedom and have a connection with a higher power with God, with spirit out the use of external circumstances and I could deal with life on life's terms. And that made me so mad. I mean it triggered me because I was like, "No, I got this," because I was living this life run on self-will.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: And I had so much pride. And I'm typed A, overachieving. I already told you I do everything 100%. So, I thought "Well, I can save myself. I can figure this out. I can drink like a lady. I can live a double life and I can maintain it. I can be extremely dark, and I can be extremely light, and I can maintain both of those things until I couldn't." And the last six months, what I like to say is and this is a lot of what sold pathology my businesses, my immune systems were compromised. Mentally, I was exhausted and chemically in my body. So, mentally, I'm dead, I'm exhausted, I'm running on fumes. Emotionally, I'm so tapped out because the emotional highs and lows were off the charts. And physically, physiologically, I had bleeding ulcers in my stomach. I was so chemically imbalanced.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: So, physically, I was malnourished, I was not healthy, whatsoever. I wasn't sleeping. I mean, I don't remember the last time I didn't just pass out.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: So, it was not like a solid six or eight hours of sleep, was nonexistent. So, in that six months leading up, I had consequence after consequence for my actions. And for the first time, I didn't care. I was becoming reckless in public. So, the two lives that I had been living that I had kept on these two different train tracks, the train tracks started to merge, and I didn't care anymore because I attempted suicide multiple times.
Cami: Wow.
Amanda: And they were pretty violent attempts and really disheartening and traumatic. One of them was in front of my mother. And so, by that in time, I didn't care who knew or saw. And I was doing really stupid stuff at the end. I mean, I'm drinking at work before board meetings. I mean, stuff that it was totally insanity and it was irrational because I just didn't care anymore. But for this power greater than me, that was happening, because it completely broke me down to where finally one day I said, "I surrender, I can't do this anymore and I don't want to do this anymore, and I need help."
And that was like for me to say, "I can't do this. I don't want to do this," and it was a Sunday morning, and I said, "I can't go to work on Monday, I need to be put in a treatment facility, or I don't have an answer, I'm going, I will die, or I will kill someone in the process."
Cami: And at this point, did your family, did they not know what to do where they're like trying to help you? What was your mom's reaction when this all went down? Because I think--
Amanda: Yeah, I went into treatment at 32 years old. And the day that I decided to get sober was Mother's Day of 2013. And essentially what happened there was I got sober, but I woke up on Mother's Day after a horrific night. My boyfriend and I lived together, and we had a house. And I woke up with my mom in the bed next to me on Sunday morning not remembering how she got there or what I had done. And I looked over and she said, "You need to get up and brush your teeth and come downstairs, we're going to have a conversation."
And I remember I knew it was going to be an intervention. There had been a couple of interventions before and I had done things to appease them or acquiesce, the people pleaser that I know how to be, "I'll show you, I'll appease you, I'll go to some 12-step meetings and get a little bit of help. And I'll show you I can do this and then I'll get you off my case." But this morning was different, because I remember she said, "Come on downstairs, we need to have a talk." And I remember after I was brushing my teeth, and I was holding on to the counter with your life because I could barely stand. I was so hungover, and my body was aching and just completely aching. And I don't even know from what or why apart from just the vast amount of substances in my body.
But I remember standing there and that's when I basically said, "Show me," like "I can't do this anymore. I don't want to do this anymore." And something ran through my body like a warm blanket or a hot bath. And it was almost like, "You don't have to fight anymore. You can cease fighting anything or anyone." And in that moment, I essentially had a sort of spiritual awakening. And I walked down the stairs and I didn't fight, and they said, "We need you to look at your knees." I had scraped up knees and I had bruises. I had assaulted a woman the night before and she was threatening to press charges. And I said, "I agree." I said, "Let's find me a treatment facility. I need to go away."
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: And I mean, they were kind of taken aback because normally I would fight or talk my way out of it. And I was completely in this space of surrender. Yet there was a sense of I was afraid, I was certainly terrified, and what that looked like or meant, but at the same time there was a sense of peace. And what I always hear people in terms of recovery and in some of the recovery work that I do is that my thought process at that time, and this will give you a baseline for how my thinking was, how logical it was.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: In my mind, I thought, "Alright, well, I'm going to go away to treatment for 30 days. And I'm going to do everything they say, I'm going to be the rock star of treatment, I'm going to go all out, and I'm going to do everything they tell me to do, I'm going to follow the rules and be Ms. Perfect Treatment. And if it doesn't work, no big deal, I'll just kill myself." And that was literally my logic going in. I'm going to surrender and I'm going to do exactly what they tell me, just like the good girl that I am, that I know how to be and if it doesn't work, no big deal, I will off myself for good.
Fortunately, I woke up in treatment and I really started to awaken to myself and my healing and owned it 100%. And I also started to see that I wasn't as unique as I thought I was. Yeah, I wasn't that unique.
Cami: It's so interesting to think like, "I'm going to surrender, but with all of these conditions that I have for the surrender."
Amanda: Yes.
Cami: And it's just like--
Amanda: I told you, insanity. Even my thinking, even in that surrender, the other was there. It was a transcendent experience for me to feel it, to know it, but still, I was in that state of self-will. And I'm like, "Okay, something magical is happening, something mystical is happening. There's a greater storyline here. I'm going to go with it, but still on my terms."
Cami: Yeah. And the beauty of that is it's like I think of going to the yoga mat, like I did yoga when I was 16 and I thought, "Oh, I want to look hot, I want to like have a good body." And then, in reality, yoga brought me to my spiritual awakening, which would have never happened if I had gone to yoga for that awakening, but really, I was like, "I'll go to look hot." So, it's funny how you get to the place, it's not always the path that you think it's going to be, obviously.
Amanda: There is this sort of these moments that are very divinely orchestrated that you stand still and they're like a moment in the field, in space and time where time stops. And I can remember standing in my bathroom counter holding on and recognizing that something bigger was at work. And if I didn't change, then I was going to miss my destiny. It was that profound. And I was so broken. I mean, I was beaten up, I was over, I was exhausted, I was mentally ill and unstable, and yet, I felt something wash over me that was so transcendent, and it pushed me in that direction.
And so, just so many people I know who've gotten on the yoga mat and had spiritual awakenings, and they just went in to stretch and look good. It's whatever it takes what it takes, but it's part of the path with the capital.
Cami: Oh, yeah. It's like the sliding doors of destiny.
Amanda: Yes.
Cami: I love that.
Amanda: Like looking at that movie with Gwyneth Paltrow, "Sliding Doors." Yeah.
Cami: I love Gwyneth. Okay. So, signs of a spiritual awakening, like looking back at your childhood, looking back at your teenage years, I mean, even your experience in college, it sounds like there were some signs that you had the potential to have an even deeper connection to source, spirit, God, whatever you want to call it, just a higher power, what are some symptoms that people could, I don't know, watch out for if they have this greater calling or greater gift?
Amanda: Usually, the recognition that there is this disease within. Usually, for me, and through my experience, and so much of what I see in the people that I work with, is we missed the good moments. So, we have to learn through pain and discomfort as human beings. And I think it's part of the human condition. I think it's part of being in our bodies and learning to interconnect our ego with our consciousness, our lower minds with the higher mind.
And so, for us, a lot of times, it's the disease, the discomfort that triggers us into awareness of something's got to change, this doesn't feel good anymore, I don't want to do this anymore. So, it's kind of this call from within. And it's when you hear the call, it's, "I don't want to do this anymore. If I do what I did, I'll get what I got." Einstein's definition of insanity of doing the same thing over and over and all of a sudden you are called, or you are thirsty for breaking the pattern.
I mean, of course, that's a bigger--that's more of a bird's eye view. And I had a pretty profound moment probably about three years before I got sober. It was a Sunday morning and at that time I used to love to watch "SuperSoul Sunday." And I was so broken at that point. I was tired. I mean, I was already really going downhill and live in this double life and everything felt meaningless and linear. But I was watching "SuperSoul Sunday" on a Sunday morning, I'm sure I was hungover, I can remember the corner of the couch, and Oprah was interviewing Iyanla Vanzant, a really powerful, incredible woman and a wonderful communicator. And she was talking about surrender. And she said, "I just had this moment of surrender." And she said, "What people misunderstand is surrender feels like this." It's broad, it's roomy, it's expansive. Surrender doesn't feel like this, like powering down and hiding away from.
And I remember watching that. And that was like I said three years-ish, probably before I got sober and I was like, "I want to feel like this. I am intending to do this in this lifetime not do this." And I've been doing this my whole life but with a smile on my face and my hair done, and degrees, and accolades, and attention recognition. But that's still been this versus this.
And I know that there are some people listening to this podcast, so it's this expansiveness versus this contraction. This is a little small living, contracted, living backed into a corner, even though externally masquerading as everything's fine, I'm okay. On the inside, I felt small and very limited.
Cami: Wow, that's such a beautiful vignette of those moments. Because when you're in it, and I like how you said we recognize the triggering moments when they are painful, but it's a good point that triggering moments could be a beautiful thing too, like having a baby.
Amanda: Yeah.
Cami: So, it is that light and dark that are not opposites, but you know what I'm saying.
So, one thing that stood out to me, and I'm always curious about the relationship component, being with someone who sounds like it was a pretty toxic connection and moving into, I know I've heard a lot of your current partner, Dennis.
Amanda: Yeah.
Cami: I'm curious, as you have come more into alignment with your soul's highest calling, how have your relationships blossoms in alignment with that?
Amanda: So, of course, relationships are definitely my thing, and being a Libra and really being able to see myself in and through the other and to use, not use, but to have other people as a reflection of what's going on internally in me.
And when Dennis and I connected for the first time in my life, two things that happen. One, I had been rigorously, honestly willing to look at myself, all aspects of me, the dark and the light, the disgusting and the beautiful, and to really confront myself. So, I have been willing to look myself in the mirror and say, "This is who I am. I'm an alcoholic. I'm a train wreck. I'm verbally and physically abusive. I have tons of PTSD. I have clinical depression." I went all of that. I also am creative, I'm intelligent, I'm brilliant, I inspire people, I am innately kind, I lift people up.
So, being able to look at all of that, and not place any judgment or value on it, but really to look at my own reflection, and then also being able to connect with a higher power, this greater sense of destiny, faith, meaning, something bigger than me at play, this bigger story, for me in this timeframe, and in this lifetime. And so, realigning my personal relationship with myself, and myself with my higher self.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: So, with Amanda, the human me in this monkey suit here, this human suit, and then this aspect of me that is multifaceted, and brilliant, and wise, and ancient, and multidimensional, being able to know that that was also guiding and directing me. The moment that I engaged in that relationship, every other relationship started to shift because I started to attract in more balance, more harmony, more reciprocity versus me being a seeker that was an opportunist. So, I was 100% an opportunist before that.
And it wasn't that my heart was always in, "I'm going to use you," "I'm going to get something from you," but I just didn't know how to create reciprocal relationships that were symbiotic. Everything was about what do I need? What do I want? How do I get that from you? And then, I'm nice to you, but it's really all about me. And that shifted through that really honest self-appraisal and connection with a higher power.
And then, I was able to meet Dennis who is a very spiritual being in so many ways that are similar to me but drastically different for me. He grounds me. I'm very serious. I'm quite intense. I can be a lot of fun, but I'm pretty intense. And he really just takes my edge off. He reminds me about the day-to-day, the human stuff, and what's important in prioritizing quality time. That's his love language. And I share that often. But being able to really have a partner who holds space with me, who doesn't compete with me, and that there is a symbiosis and an evolving symbiosis too because our relationship, we've been together for quite a while, has shifted. But we grow together, and we communicate.
And also, it's not just a physical connection, or a mental or emotional connection, we also have a spiritual connection. And he would articulate that as well. He says, "You're the first time I've ever connected with somebody, mind, body, and spirit." And that that was the difference. That was the turning point romantically and intimately for me in relationships.
Cami: Yeah. Because part of your business, which we'll get into, because I would love for you to explain how you work with people, but do you ever read him?
Amanda: Yes, we go through that sometimes. And sometimes it's so hard for me to read him because he doesn't want me to. He has no interest. And we're very telepathically communicated. We'll say the same thing at the same time. So, we're very in sync energetically. And he's quite intuitive and insightful. What's so wild is sometimes if we have Oracle cards out, and I say, "Okay, just pick a card for fun," he will pick a card and it will 100% not resonate. And I will be like, "This doesn't even resonate with what I'm getting for you." And so, it's almost as if he knows how to block me, which is healthy, because it means that we do have some healthy energetic boundaries, which is great.
Cami: I love that.
Amanda: He believes in me, he believes in all I do. I have been able to read for him and to be able to communicate as a medium with his deceased loved ones, things, and share messages of healing. So, he and I have had some very profound personal, spiritually transcendent moments. And he has seen me work, he innately believes, yet it's not like we have intense conversations about this all the time, which is healthy for me. It's so healthy for me.
Cami: And I think it can be comforting for people just in general to know that if they don't want to be read, they can put up a boundary for anybody.
Amanda: Hundred percent.
Cami: Which for me, I'm like, "Read me all day long." But for some people it can be when they're first introduced to this work, they can feel apprehensive or scared. And so, just knowing that you can put up energetic boundaries, anything is important.
Amanda: In reality, I really do believe that it's an interconnection between my higher self and his higher self that really recognizes that if I were reading him, and he was open to that all the time, then I'd be working and it would be nonstop, and there would be no healthy energetic boundaries, physical boundaries. It would be too much. And so, the fact that he balances me out in that way, it takes me down a notch sometimes so things aren't so serious and intense and everything has a meaning, purpose and really turning all the darkness into light and whatever it is, but not that way. He's not so serious. It's a cut and dry conversation.
Cami: Yeah. Well, it's interesting, because it's like a therapist doesn't come home and then be a therapist for their husband.
Amanda: Exactly, yeah. Exactly.
Cami: Right. So, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I imagine eventually you get really tired.
Amanda: Yeah, 100%. But he definitely supports what I do, and he buys into it and believes in it. And he definitely had some intense paranormal encounters that are unmistakable that when we get together in groups of friends, he is the one leading the charge and telling the stories and I am sitting back and he's the one on stage talking about all the wild paranormal stories that we share. And so, to watch him really get into it and want to share it with people.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: So, he likes the shock and all of what I do just as much as I do. So, it's pretty cool.
Cami: I love that. So, we've talked a little bit about what you do. Can you explain to the audience exactly how a session with you looks and what you can provide for them and how you work into their energetic field?
Amanda: Sure. Essentially what I do is I have learned to go into a semi-trance state. So, I'm here but I'm not here. So, Amanda, I'm able to detach, and I become a medium, a vessel, a channel for your higher self, your soul self. And I am able to reflect back to you your highest path and what is coming through for your most probable outcome, as well as being able to see into what we would call the linear past. So, I can see into the past, and into the future, and the most probable outcomes. And the clearest way for you to unlimit and unblock yourself in order to materialize and run towards your meaning and destiny and start letting go and shedding the limiting aspects of self and behavior that are keeping you from recognizing your brilliance. Because essentially, when I read and it comes through, and code of all shapes and forms literally, but essentially I can see the highest, lightest, brightest version of you, and I can communicate that to you in a way that you innately understand like the words and language that your soul is able to integrate if willing.
Cami: Yes, that's a very good caveat, "if willing."
I always tell people this story of how working with you. If you've ever worked with an intuitive that made you feel uncomfortable in any way like Amanda is the person to help you kind of come back and have a reading that you know is going to be really helpful and not traumatic. I remember when I had a reading for me, I was like, "I went to someone, and they told me a bunch of things that didn't feel helpful, and you came back and you really helped to soothe my heart." So, I always think about that and appreciate that, because it really does matter who is interpreting the language of your soul.
Amanda: Yes. And it's really interesting, I think, with all of the energy that we have around us right now and the collective trauma that is being unleashed, it's impacting all of us energetically, mentally, emotionally, physically, physiologically. So, we have all these factors bombarding us that are pretty heavy and conflicting. And so, sometimes I do go into session with people who I can see their brilliance, I can see their light, I can see what they're doing, and they don't want to hear it. And so, they will push that back on me and you can feel them in the fight, you can feel them not wanting to surrender. And my job is to suit up and show you what I'm seeing, not what you want to hear.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: But what they're showing me in the highest form, but it is your job to be able to sit back and receive it because we don't always get what we need or get what we want, we get what we need. But for the most part, people show up willing. And even if they have some reservations or skepticism, usually their soul is able to put that at ease in the first minute and a half. And so, it starts to drop.
Cami: And that's such a good point, too, is like sometimes what you hear isn't going to be exactly as you imagine yourself. And so, I mean, a lot of that information I imagined could trigger you to life.
Amanda: Yeah, 100%. And if you're in kind of fight or flight mode, and you're wanting to hear something, and you're in that space of self-will, which I innately understand. I mean, I have a well of compassion for that because I've lived it. I've been in that space and there's no judgment in what I do. I mean, I detached, and I just hold space in the healthiest way I can. But when there is someone who is fighting and doesn't want to hear and want something a certain way, it's like it's not time yet, you're going to have to fight a little more until you're ready to fully let go and transcend.
Cami: Can I put you on the spot for a second and ask for a reading from you?
Amanda: Yeah, yeah. Okay, remind me of your birthday. Numbers connect me with my energy. Yeah, but remind me of your birthday.
Cami: May 10th, 1990.
Amanda: That's right, okay.
It's really interesting because what they're showing me is November and December are months of reorganization and reprioritization for you. And so, right now in November, there's a lot of creating and connecting, and communicating going on. I mean, hence we are doing this podcast but you're doing a lot of that, you're thinking, you're putting yourself out there in new ways and you're really diversifying yourself and even pushing your edge and your boundaries a bit. And even though it feels uncomfortable and a little bit of it feels like pushing hard, but yet you know because you're pushing yourself towards something. But December is going to feel a lot more grounded for you. You're going to feel clear. You're going to feel more guided and directed.
And so, they're saying, "Keep spreading yourself out." You're not spreading yourself too thin, keep communicating not everything is going to stick. But the stuff that is going to stick you're going to be able to sweep away the debris and then move forward with a solid foundation especially like mid-December. It feels like mid-December you're going to have a few aha moments and where you really feel guided and directed.
And 2021 is a year of breakthroughs for you in so many ways. Oh, my gosh, they're--I mean it's like a lot, as far as relationships and love and work and being in the right place at the right time I mean. And you being in the right place at the right time next year is more earned. So, it's not luck don't mistake that for luck. Luck is earned. But it's because you've done the work. You have been in this calling process of really letting go, really embracing all aspects of yourself and you are going to move forward with this greater sense of clarity and childlike wonder they keep talking about you getting back your child like wonderment. Versus feeling like everything has to get done and it has to get done in this framework. They're saying that you are going to be revitalized, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually and it's going to be exciting and fun. And there will be some plot twists and there will be some drama and there will be relationships and things that you thought were going to work out that don't but you're going to be resilient. So, you're going to recognize those faster communicate it and then be able to move forward.
Cami: Wow.
Amanda: That makes sense?
Cami: Yeah. I've been feeling this deep need to get super clear on what I want everything to look like. If you come into my apartment now you would see like tons of whiteboards or like paper all over the walls being like this, this, this, organizing everything, redoing everything just so that really resonates. And I feel I'm excited for 2021.
Amanda: And you will feel a reset and a sense of clarity and stability in December. But make no mistake, 2021 for you. It's not going to feel like whiteboards with charts. It's going to be saying yes when you're called. And saying yes even if you don't feel prepared. It's going to be a year where it's not no rest for the weary but know that you are internally prepared. And you can change your mind. You can say no, you can say yes and then say, "Oh, I didn't love that, not going to do it again." So, it's not going to be so much about your formula as it is knowing that there's an internal formula that's happening. And also your higher self is guiding and directing the interactions in the past.
Cami: I love that. And I love the aspect of the childhood wonder too because I think I sent my friends a list of fun things to do today because I was I've just been like curating all these day fun because that's what I want to do. I want to have fun.
Amanda: And that's going to be a huge theme for you the play and the creativity. So, that matched with your plan of action and your goals and your vision but remembering that balancing it out with excitement and wonderment is what is going to infiltrate your spirit with this greater sense of meaning and connection.
Cami: Yeah. And I love that and coming back to you one thing that I've really, I just love you've talked about this before on online which is, you went from this doing and achieving part of your life to living in Belize and really being super present in the moment. And I'm just curious to hear more about that because I find that a lot of my clients when we really get down to the root of the issue is that they're not really enjoying or being present in their life. So, their life feels sometimes not as meaningful as they would want it to feel.
Amanda: Absolutely. And for so much of my life, everything was about showing up and doing and saying yes and achieving. And what everything looked like on the outside and as long as it looked good on the outside and productive and successful and credible whatever it was that I was seeking it didn't matter what was going on, on the inside. And, I have reprioritized that my insides really dictate what's going on externally. And so, if I feel out of kilter or out of balance or overwhelmed or disempowered or angry, whatever it is that is coming up getting really honest about those feelings my emotional intelligence utilizing my mind and then being able to process that. And then, tweak what needs to be tweaked externally. So, whether it's communication related to work or relationships, whether it has to do with my physical health and well-being, really being able to continually assess myself so I can live in a state of harmony versus disharmony, ease versus disease. Not to be trite but all of that is really true. Because you can feel when you're in a flow you can feel when you are in this divine sync with yourself and your soul and the interactions. And then, you can feel when you're in resistance.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: At least you can once you become awakened to all aspects of yourself and become more present and conscious which takes a variety of tools and discipline. Discipline is really a big thing for me. Self-discipline in my personal care, my spiritual care, and in myself and my healing and recovery, discipline is imperative. And it can change, and it doesn't have to be authoritarian. Or if I miss something on my to-do list into the world, it's not about that but it's about creating a discipline that creates greater meaning.
Cami: Yeah. And I love that we've talked about that before. You have some pretty solid self-care practices.
Amanda: Yeah.
Cami: What does--what do they look like? Because I know the audience is always curious about what other people are doing and how they stay healthy and--
Amanda: Yeah. And of course, you know with me the physical health and well-being is super important. And I would even say that my self-care practices as far as physical health. So, waking up well-rested, getting a good night sleep, drinking a lot of water, hydrating myself. Eating high vibrational healthy foods and exercise, physical exercise whatever that looks like is imperative for my vessel, my body, to be clear and show up in integrity and what I do. But that is routine for me. So, it's not even a practice or self-care, it is part of my routine, it's a practice, it's a lifestyle. So, that the physical aspect of self-care is a lifestyle for me now. It's just years of integrating that and seeing results and feeling better.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: But my self-care things that are non negotiables for me are really upon awakening and upon retiring. So, my morning and evening routines. And sometimes they're disrupted and sometimes they're a little bit different. But we do live here in Belize in the jungle on a beautiful river and I am an early riser. So, I wake up any time between 4:30 and 5:00 and I go outside, and I meditate and have coffee and journal, watch the birds. I spend that intimate time quiet and listening and seeking and asking myself questions. And then, also taking that time to really say, "Show me." What is today about show me? Allow me to be a channel, a vessel of service. Show me my highest calling for the day. Where am I supposed to be? So, taking that time to listen and to ask for guidance. So, two big non-negotiable self-care things for me are listening.
Cami: Okay.
Amanda: The self listening to source. Listening to people who guide me, who I ask for help from. And that's the second piece is asking for the guidance. So, self-care is listening and asking. So, asking for guidance, asking for feedback, asking for help. Checking myself, being completely honest, and then listening.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: listening.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: And listening, that's hard.
Cami: You asked, I always tell people I'm like, "You're asking for help." I remember one moment I'm like, I just, I can't take it anymore, like, "Please." And then, the message I get is like, "Wait, but not that one."
Amanda: Yeah.
Cami: And you're like, "Well if you ask." It's also in your benefit to receive the guidance you give it.
Amanda: Yes. And it doesn't mean that when you ask for help that the guidance you get is going to be perfect and give you a clear-cut solution. But it's about becoming willing to say, "I don't have all the answers, show me. What does this sound like to you?" And having a couple of trusted spiritual personal confidants is imperative. So, it's not about spreading yourself thin with guidance I would say. It's really having a couple of key people who understand me and understand my story and how I get in my way and how I lift myself up. I can talk to those people for two or three minutes and they'll say, "Oh, this and this." And it's like, "Oh, oh you're so right. How did I not see that?" It's usually so simple yet it's profound and transformational. And now, today, I'm able to hear feedback about me that isn't that pretty. But I also know that it's true and it's how I'm limiting myself and how I'm limiting my service to this world.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: I'm blocking myself and myself.
Cami: Yeah, yeah. And I think that really paints a beautiful picture of who you are as a person because you are so self-growth oriented. You really do want to be of the highest service for your friends and your family and your clients. And I think that, well, one we need more people like you. And you are helping people tap into that human potential of being of service for the greatest good of the planet.
Amanda: Which I believe is my meaning in this lifetime. And also being able to show up if I'm giving other people guidance and instruction and support and offerings that I put my money where my mouth is. So, a lot of times I mean I listen to the medicine that I offer, and I implement it as well. And I can tell when I'm not implementing it. Because we all kind of fall off the beam and off the track, we're human. So, I mean there is this element of learning and resiliency and becoming resilient and recognizing when you're stumbling, when you're stuck when you're in the resistance and saying, "Whoa, I need to reset. Something's not right here." And sometimes though that resiliency happens in a moment by asking for guidance and getting feedback. And sometimes it's like three or four months.
Cami: Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes you--I remember you were telling me this when I talked to you back in March, you were like, "Cami, you weren't supposed to see anything coming, you were in a tunnel for a reason to protect you. And if you had seen all these things coming you wouldn't have been able to function." And I loved you saying that because I was like, "Oh." It's not that my intuition failed me. It's that I wasn't meant to see this because it would have been painful before it even came.
Amanda: Yeah. And oftentimes I've had sessions with clients who've had miscarriages or had some things coming at them. And I don't always see that. I see a lot of that stuff. But sometimes I'm not shown that information because they're not supposed to receive it, because it's part of how they respond, how they react, how they heal. And so, if I divulge that information and give away the blind spot then it may actually hinder their opportunity for growth and evolution. It doesn't happen a lot like that. But I mean there have been a couple of times where someone's had a miscarriage or gotten pregnant things like that. And I'm like, "I didn't see that coming, well of course." It didn't. But also people changed their destiny they changed their timelines because their energy shifts. And energy right now is expanding and contracting at much greater frequencies in the quantum field. So, it's like time is slowing down and speeding up. And so, we're becoming more active participants in co-creation in our realities and changing our destinies and our timelines than I think most of us know.
Cami: Yeah. And do you think that's part of the rise in consciousness that we're seeing especially in the year 2020? Because I feel like this year especially like there's so much potential for really solid change because some of that energy has shifted.
Amanda: Yeah. And 2020 has been a year of breaking down in order to rebuild. And there are things that have to be--not all storms are destructive. And this has been a year where yes there has been destruction, there has been pain, there has been outrage and anger and lots of trauma unleashed, collective trauma, years of ancestral trauma, things like that. But trauma, historically, is actually what opens up consciousness and psychic gifts. And, sadly enough oftentimes people who have transcendent psychic experiences, like we said they don't always open up through the beautiful moments. They open up when their body is trying to protect them from trauma. So, there's the veil not to be too esoteric but there is this thinning and changing of energy. And the collective trauma is actually opening us up in many ways to a greater sense of evolution and consciousness.
Cami: Wow, I feel that. And I think that's a beautiful way to describe what has been going on the past six, seven, eight months. Coming around to--this is one of my favorite questions to ask people so I'm glad you brought it up as well. Boiling down what you do to your why? Why do you do the things you offer people?
Amanda: Yeah.
Cami: What is your purpose? What is your why? Because as Simon Sinek one of my favorite people.
Amanda: Yeah.
Cami: What is your why? Simon Sinek why.
Amanda: I'll tell you this, I'm not afraid of much. I mean when I when I get into fear, I recognize what that fear for what it is. And I'm able to confront it and shine the light into it. But if there is something that I fear in the evolution of humanity is that we are moving into an age of artificial intelligence. And I really do fear that while artificial intelligence is incredible and it has connected and interconnected us and advanced us very rapidly over the last two decades in many ways, I also feel that there will be an allopathic approach to awakening human potential. And so, if someone were to say to you, "Hey, Cami. You could become super psychic and superhuman and superconscious if we put this implant, this chip, this microchip in your brain or in your arm." That would be the allopathic approach. There's a pill for everything. And I have a fear that humans are going to choose the chip, the microchip, or the insert versus tapping in to the human potential that physiologically biologically already exists within our genome, our DNA, our cells because we are actually mutating. I know that I have done quite a bit of mutating because my gifts keep evolving and whatnot. I'm doing some academic work where we're looking at those things and looking at the mutation.
So, we have the ability to mutate. But so many of us would say, "Well, just give me a pill for that. Oh, you can put an implant then I can be psychic and superhuman. Well just give me that." And that really is my why is for to be able to help people harness their internal abilities and to mutate into their superhuman potential to find meaning and purpose and happiness and love and joy through their human experience. Versus adding in the artificial intelligence and bypassing our human abilities.
Cami: Wow. I think that is one of the best lies I have come across.
Amanda: I mean and it literally, I get fired up about it. I mean I wake up at night and I'm worried and I ask somebody that we know very recently a thought leader a really good friend of mine and my husband's who kind of just an incredible human being and thinker and just brilliant. And I said to him, I said, "Hey. So, if I were to give you this option where I could just put in an implant." And he's had all of these mystical experiences. And I mean just an amazing story. And I said, "If I could just give you an implant and that would just turn your jeans on and turn your conscious on would you do it?" And he's like, "Yeah, probably so." And I was like, "Oh," it's like a knife to the heart. Because that told me that someone who I respect in their spirituality and their path to actualization who is a thought leader and whatnot. If they would say yes to a pill what would just the regular person on the street that doesn't have a spiritual toolkit or a personal development thirst or set of tools what would they say? Yes.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: Yeah.
Cami: Yeah. It's so interesting it's not something when it comes to AI and all the stuff that has been coming out about AI. That's not something I considered. And so, that adds it adds another layer of things to ponder.
Amanda: Yeah. And I mean that is 100 my why and where my work is going and a lot of the work that I do with people and doing some academic work and some research into the mutation and the ability for our genes to mutate. Our consciousness to evolve but on a genetic level.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: I mean epigenetics and whatnot.
Cami: Well, I love that too because with the work I do in nutrition, it's very similar like we can turn on and off those genes. Types of food and it makes sense that you could do it on the spiritual realm as well. I mean it's connected. So, where can people find you and how can they connect with you? How can they stay connected with you?
Amanda: So, you can--my website is soulpathology.com and on Instagram it's @soulpathology. And that's the easiest way to connect and of course, I have a newsletter. And I'm very active there and I offer private sessions. I do stay booked out pretty far in advance.
Cami: Yeah, if you were ready for that. If you're someone who like wants to make a session and then wants it the next day, you have to plan ahead with Amanda because she is so popular. I'm always like, "Six weeks, I can't wait that long."
Amanda: Yeah. And right now I'm booked into March of 2021. So, it's important, I mean it's just things are just getting busier. And I'm starting to do more corporate work and really one-to-one work in some other areas and in some research and science areas. And so, I'm just limited in taking on new clients. But I welcome it and we have a waitlist, and we have ways. So, please reach out. And if it's meant to be, timing is always divinely. It's always connected.
Cami: Totally. And, I think that's just a testament to how amazing you are and what you provide an offer. So.
Amanda: Well, you are as well. And I do want to say this because I always learn so much from you and with all of the knowledge you have about the body and especially detoxing the body and creating healthy lifestyles. It's not overwhelming, and it doesn't have to be hard. When we talk about evolving our genes and our consciousness, for me it started by putting down alcohol and drugs and clearing out my physical vessel. Getting an eight-hour night of sleep that was uninterrupted, exercising regularly, starting to eat healthful healthy food. All of those really simple human things starting to prioritize my physical body and well-being started to break down all of the components mentally and emotionally to rebuild those immune systems that are so, so shocked. And so, in disease.
Cami: Yeah. And I love that. And we've talked about, I think we talked about that on Instagram live too, oftentimes changing your diet and taking the chemicals out of your life is a gateway to then developing spiritual gifts and at such a great point and of course I love that one.
Amanda: That's how it started for me. So, when people say, "Well where do you begin?" It's like, "Oh, my gosh, begin with prioritizing your self-care and what you're putting into your body and spending a little bit of time moving around physically." And sometimes for me, physical exercise is high-intensity training, other times, it's yoga. Sometimes it's just it depends on what I can do and what I feel like but doing something. So, and then also for me in the beginning and I'll close with saying this because a lot of times people who have that hurdle of reprioritizing what they eat and eating more mindfully and healthfully, I just set the intention that I would crave healthy, high vibrational life-supporting and revitalizing foods. I would get up and say, "Today it is my intention that I crave healthy high vibrational revitalizing foods." And now, that's pretty innately hardwired.
Cami: Yeah.
Amanda: So, if I eat something that's unhealthy I actually notice that I don't feel as well, like process sugars and things like that. And even though I have a sweet tooth, the things that used to taste good to me with processed sugars they actually like my taste buds have evolved. So, we start--so you'll start noticing the evolution of your taste buds. And so, that's just another gateway into the evolution of your consciousness--
Cami: I love it.
Amanda: Physiology.
Cami: Yeah. Oh, my gosh, I could talk to you forever.
Amanda: Well. I'm so happy to visit with you and I'm so happy for this new podcast you're doing and sharing all of this information and also all of being triggered to life. Because I really think our triggers whether they're dark or they're light is what wakes us up to really confront ourselves, all aspects of ourselves, and recognizing that we have this unique sense of purpose and meaning. And it's creating that awareness that starts to create effective sustainable change. And on a personal level and on a universal and a multi-dimensional level.
Cami: Totally. And so, thank you for sharing your story because I know that when people are in those moments, it feels really dark. And when you can have someone sharing their story to see that, see those parts of you and someone's story is so helpful.
Amanda: Yeah. And the darkness, I mean as trite as this sounds and I heard this a long time ago but it's like your test becomes your testimony. And I believe that. I had to walk through that stuff, and I am so grateful to be alive. Be awake and to get to be here on the planet at this time. But there was a time when I didn't feel that way because I was in such a state of disillusionment and disenchantment with myself. And so, detached physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.
Cami: Yeah. I know and it's--and you're so, you're eons away from that version of yourself. So, it's so fun to see how much you can grow.
Amanda: Yeah. And it does. It seems like a lifetime, but I can't forget. I have to keep that stuff very present because I know that I can go back there in a heartbeat if I don't stay on my path of personal and spiritual care. And then, stay accountable to people who will help me really see myself and my blind spots because while I am psychic and I have all of these gifts, I don't always see my blind spots. So, it's important for me. We get in our own way very easily. It's just it is part of the ego.
Cami: Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Amanda. I look forward to talking with you soon.
Amanda: Yes.
Cami: And have a great weekend. Enjoy the warm weather in Belize.
Amanda: Yeah, I will. We've had some flooding, we had a hurricane come back through here and the whole country is flooding and they're about to open up some more dams. And so, there's a lot of flooding in the country right now. I think everyone is safe, but a lot of homes have been pretty much destroyed in various parts of the country. So.
Cami: Oh, my gosh.
Amanda: In Belize right now for well-being and healing and whatnot.
Cami: So, absolutely. It will definitely be keeping my heart and Belize as well. Alright. Bye, Amanda.